WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:11.000 So, you may want to get your laptop. 00:11.000 --> 00:22.000 All right, so some of you know, I've been source of life for software as life, I have 00:22.000 --> 00:24.000 to say under us. 00:24.000 --> 00:29.000 There is nobody that I think of more when somebody says to me than you. 00:29.000 --> 00:33.000 I think you have devoted so much of your life to open source. 00:33.000 --> 00:37.000 And it is my pleasure to introduce it today for this endeavor. 00:37.000 --> 00:39.000 So, I hope to you. 00:39.000 --> 00:41.000 Thank you very much. 00:41.000 --> 00:44.000 Put it here. 00:44.000 --> 00:45.000 Yeah, welcome everybody. 00:45.000 --> 00:49.000 I think it's maybe it's my task to keep you a little bit awake after 00:49.000 --> 00:52.000 a successful afternoon. 00:52.000 --> 00:55.000 I want to talk about stabilisation. 00:55.000 --> 01:04.000 I have to confess that since one and one year and nine months, I don't do anything for 01:04.000 --> 01:05.000 the stabilisation. 01:05.000 --> 01:11.000 Because I'm the current the stabilisation project leader and I told my team, 01:11.000 --> 01:14.000 well, just keep on running it. 01:14.000 --> 01:17.000 And the good news is that Captain running. 01:17.000 --> 01:22.000 So, who knows the open source project where the main contributor went away and 01:22.000 --> 01:23.000 he's kept on running. 01:23.000 --> 01:25.000 So, it's not so much. 01:25.000 --> 01:27.000 That's why I'm very proud about this. 01:27.000 --> 01:29.000 But what is stable on it? 01:29.000 --> 01:36.000 And I will tell you something how I try to find out who is on our team. 01:36.000 --> 01:42.000 I have some statistics and I want to show the effect we had in the hard 01:42.000 --> 01:45.000 COVID times for this project. 01:45.000 --> 01:49.000 Well, this is back in DeppCon 125 years ago. 01:49.000 --> 01:50.000 I was very younger than then. 01:50.000 --> 01:51.000 We had a lot of wine. 01:51.000 --> 01:56.000 And then we had an idea which turned into DeppCon with it. 01:56.000 --> 02:02.000 So, it's all about wine and crazy ideas. 02:02.000 --> 02:03.000 Yeah. 02:03.000 --> 02:06.000 This is how I usually explain what the stabilisation. 02:06.000 --> 02:11.000 DeppCon is an operating system where a lot of people are contributing. 02:11.000 --> 02:16.000 And I started with something extremely unimportant and sort of was done with it. 02:17.000 --> 02:23.000 But then I came to the Robert Koch Institute in Germany and that sort of how can I make it. 02:23.000 --> 02:27.000 My colleagues using DeppCon because you see a large package pool. 02:27.000 --> 02:30.000 I think we have 60,000 packages. 02:30.000 --> 02:34.000 And how can I find the things that are relevant for me? 02:34.000 --> 02:36.000 For my usage. 02:36.000 --> 02:43.000 And there are so-called blends which is also something I started and we have something for school. 02:43.000 --> 02:46.000 Something for GIS, some other things. 02:46.000 --> 02:49.000 And DeppCon made is for you. 02:49.000 --> 02:51.000 This is just for you. 02:51.000 --> 02:52.000 It is DeppCon. 02:52.000 --> 02:54.000 It's nothing else than DeppCon. 02:54.000 --> 02:59.000 But you get to focus on the packages that are relevant for you. 02:59.000 --> 03:00.000 Hopefully. 03:00.000 --> 03:03.000 So, DeppCon made is something like this. 03:03.000 --> 03:08.000 I have done a lot of packages and other team members as well. 03:09.000 --> 03:14.000 This is the preparation for someone who is doing bioinformatics. 03:14.000 --> 03:19.000 Most bioinformatics we have also medical imaging and so on. 03:19.000 --> 03:22.000 So this is about, we have so-called tasks. 03:22.000 --> 03:28.000 The biology task is well settled with a lot of standard software. 03:28.000 --> 03:30.000 We could have more. 03:30.000 --> 03:31.000 I come back to this. 03:31.000 --> 03:34.000 We have something about developing biologically application. 03:34.000 --> 03:36.000 We have medical imaging. 03:36.000 --> 03:38.000 Something about medical practice. 03:38.000 --> 03:43.000 So this is a categorization of the packages inside DeppCon. 03:43.000 --> 03:46.000 And you can install them with one command. 03:46.000 --> 03:49.000 So, up get instant made bio. 03:49.000 --> 03:54.000 It turns all biologically packages on your computer. 03:54.000 --> 03:56.000 You can start working with it. 03:56.000 --> 04:00.000 Or if you have some clusters just install one package and you are done. 04:00.000 --> 04:06.000 And your task is to tell us what you want to see in DeppCon. 04:06.000 --> 04:08.000 Because I'm a physicist. 04:08.000 --> 04:11.000 Several other people are not bioinformaticians. 04:11.000 --> 04:14.000 We don't know what you need. 04:14.000 --> 04:21.000 But if you tell us, you can do it for you or train you how to do the packaging. 04:21.000 --> 04:23.000 This is what we are doing. 04:24.000 --> 04:27.000 So we are quite good in bioinformatics. 04:27.000 --> 04:31.000 We have something about medical imaging. 04:31.000 --> 04:33.000 We have even the practice management system. 04:33.000 --> 04:37.000 If you hear DeppCon, you think, oh, my doctor can run the practice with us. 04:37.000 --> 04:39.000 No, please don't. 04:39.000 --> 04:44.000 There is something, but we are not responsible for the software. 04:44.000 --> 04:50.000 So you rather need a company which supports the doctor to run the software. 04:50.000 --> 04:52.000 On this, we are not a service company. 04:52.000 --> 04:56.000 We are doing packaging or free software. 04:56.000 --> 05:01.000 We have some ar packages for epidemiology and something for hospitals. 05:01.000 --> 05:04.000 They are running some kind of databases. 05:04.000 --> 05:07.000 If I ask, otherwise we have just an unspecific. 05:07.000 --> 05:11.000 Universal operating system as DeppCon is called. 05:11.000 --> 05:16.000 So I'm very, very proud that DeppCon may team. 05:16.000 --> 05:19.000 You must see DeppCon is so big. 05:19.000 --> 05:25.000 If we have this biological software or not, it does not really matter for DeppCon. 05:25.000 --> 05:28.000 But we have attracted a lot of developers. 05:28.000 --> 05:32.000 And thanks to this, we have 23DDs. 05:32.000 --> 05:38.000 So one developer assistance of DeppCon made projects per year. 05:38.000 --> 05:44.000 So we attracted a lot of people into DeppCon, which do some other stuff as well. 05:44.000 --> 05:52.000 And the April hackathon is actually what we did when COVID became a thing. 05:52.000 --> 05:55.000 Everybody realized, oh, there is something happening. 05:55.000 --> 06:03.000 And we got new people who say, oh, how can I help DeppCon to fight Corona? 06:03.000 --> 06:08.000 And this is what you see in the graphs. 06:08.000 --> 06:16.000 And the light green dots are showing the first, the second and the third hackathon. 06:16.000 --> 06:21.000 You see the first one attracted the most of people. 06:21.000 --> 06:24.000 And what you see here is the red dots are releases. 06:24.000 --> 06:29.000 And then before release it goes down and down and goes up again. 06:29.000 --> 06:31.000 So we had to release last year, this goes up. 06:31.000 --> 06:40.000 But you see, in this Corona time, we had the most persons committing to DeppCon made. 06:40.000 --> 06:46.000 And we also had the most nearly the most of COVID. 06:46.000 --> 06:51.000 Then you see another maximum, this is also the effect. 06:51.000 --> 06:53.000 We had a lot of packages. 06:53.000 --> 06:57.000 And then we wanted them to have the, in the next official release. 06:57.000 --> 07:02.000 And these large peaks are always before they were free. 07:02.000 --> 07:03.000 It's a package pool. 07:03.000 --> 07:05.000 And then everybody is working hard. 07:05.000 --> 07:08.000 So don't be astonished about these other peaks. 07:08.000 --> 07:13.000 But you see, we had a lot of contributions in the pandemic, 07:13.000 --> 07:16.000 and specifically in the beginning of the pandemic. 07:16.000 --> 07:20.000 Whether it is a slicer online, you can get it. 07:20.000 --> 07:23.000 And then we have the discussions on the mailing list. 07:24.000 --> 07:29.000 And you also see in all time high people, they are very, very suspicious. 07:29.000 --> 07:32.000 And they are very thinking, how can we help? 07:32.000 --> 07:34.000 What can we do? 07:34.000 --> 07:41.000 And this happened also in the very first hackathon of the Corona spread. 07:41.000 --> 07:48.000 It never became that much discussion anymore. 07:49.000 --> 07:54.000 Same. This is one was the number of people posting and the number of posts. 07:54.000 --> 07:58.000 And the second is, we also were discussing quite a lot. 07:58.000 --> 08:02.000 So what we did was a daily gency meeting. 08:02.000 --> 08:05.000 We had a lot of discussion on the mailing list. 08:05.000 --> 08:08.000 We had also IRC, which was former in debut on. 08:08.000 --> 08:13.000 And now we have a martic channel, which is more convenient. 08:13.000 --> 08:17.000 So we had different contributors to the hackathons. 08:17.000 --> 08:21.000 We had former contributors who came back. 08:21.000 --> 08:26.000 We had the permanent contributors who increased their activity. 08:26.000 --> 08:32.000 Other than these, January in debut on who did not contribute to the project, 08:32.000 --> 08:37.000 to the debut I made before, that helped us, specifically the FDP masters, 08:37.000 --> 08:41.000 who were very fast to accept new packages. 08:41.000 --> 08:46.000 We had new contributors for certain periods of time. 08:46.000 --> 08:49.000 Some stick to the project. 08:49.000 --> 08:52.000 We had former outreach students. 08:52.000 --> 08:55.000 We are running Google some of course frequently. 08:55.000 --> 08:57.000 So you can also join there. 08:57.000 --> 09:02.000 We had non-technical contributors who helped different ways. 09:02.000 --> 09:05.000 And I need to say also my wife was very patient with me. 09:05.000 --> 09:08.000 Taking a long time for the computer and for others as well. 09:08.000 --> 09:12.000 This is important. You know, very important. 09:13.000 --> 09:16.000 And we had the following hackathons. 09:16.000 --> 09:20.000 We also do yearly sprints online. 09:20.000 --> 09:29.000 Well, this is, we had a lot of people spending time with us more or less. 09:29.000 --> 09:34.000 And if you are thinking about joining the debut on May, 09:34.000 --> 09:37.000 we do a sprint in three weeks in Berlin. 09:37.000 --> 09:41.000 I have it later with links for what you can do. 09:41.000 --> 09:45.000 The long-term effect of COVID-19 for the debut I made, 09:45.000 --> 09:54.000 project was that we gained a lot of people who think they can help. 09:54.000 --> 09:59.000 And it's even more fun to work in this project. 09:59.000 --> 10:04.000 So I have people who stated, hey, this group inside the debut, 10:04.000 --> 10:07.000 and it's so cool, and it's just fun. 10:07.000 --> 10:11.000 I'd want to join you to enjoy the company of these people. 10:11.000 --> 10:13.000 It's nice. 10:13.000 --> 10:20.000 And well, we had this hackathon. 10:20.000 --> 10:25.000 And at least four people really stayed. 10:25.000 --> 10:29.000 They all know, no B-on for mathematicians. 10:29.000 --> 10:33.000 So I'd just say the names because they did a lot of things. 10:33.000 --> 10:37.000 And as I said, when I was serving as debut in project leader, 10:37.000 --> 10:39.000 I was, I had no time for this. 10:39.000 --> 10:44.000 And at the end, and Pierre really kept this thing on running. 10:44.000 --> 10:46.000 They fixed so many bucks. 10:46.000 --> 10:47.000 They did so many uploads. 10:47.000 --> 10:48.000 This is really cool. 10:48.000 --> 10:51.000 I'm really proud. 10:51.000 --> 10:55.000 So, and as I said, everybody here in the room 10:55.000 --> 11:00.000 is absolutely free to join the fun to work with us. 11:00.000 --> 11:05.000 The long term effect on my work is that it's a hackathon 11:05.000 --> 11:10.000 turned my task from actually. 11:10.000 --> 11:15.000 Package, packaging, fixing bucks to more organizing people. 11:15.000 --> 11:19.000 This is more this kind of leader job, which we are, 11:19.000 --> 11:25.000 yeah, technically the work is more fun, but it's needs to be done. 11:25.000 --> 11:30.000 But later, it went back to normal with training people, 11:30.000 --> 11:32.000 fixing bucks, and so on. 11:32.000 --> 11:38.000 And I said, these newcomers took over when I became DPL. 11:38.000 --> 11:45.000 And it's, well, it's even more fun than before, 11:45.000 --> 11:48.000 because I see these old skilled developers, 11:48.000 --> 11:51.000 which are technically even better than I am. 11:51.000 --> 11:54.000 And can fix more bucks, and I'll even more competence, 11:54.000 --> 11:59.000 and I am to see the great things they are doing. 11:59.000 --> 12:03.000 So, and as I said, my best takeaway message as a project leader 12:03.000 --> 12:06.000 is the project keeps on running. 12:06.000 --> 12:11.000 If you want to join our sprint, it's in three weeks. 12:11.000 --> 12:17.000 In Berlin, it's the link is to a wiki, and you just add your name 12:17.000 --> 12:21.000 to the table, and then you are a member, and then ask on the meaning 12:21.000 --> 12:23.000 this what else can be done. 12:23.000 --> 12:26.000 It would be great if you would join us. 12:26.000 --> 12:29.000 And here are some more talks of mine. 12:29.000 --> 12:34.000 This is my beautiful hometown where I had all the, 12:34.000 --> 12:38.000 this was in Kohler times the DPL conference, where I put all my DPL 12:38.000 --> 12:41.000 and conference t-shirts online. 12:41.000 --> 12:44.000 So, okay, questions. 12:45.000 --> 12:50.000 We have a few minutes for questions. 12:50.000 --> 12:54.000 So, anything to give me? 12:54.000 --> 12:56.000 I can start. 12:56.000 --> 12:57.000 Ah, yes. 12:57.000 --> 13:00.000 So, about the deal with us, 13:00.000 --> 13:04.000 you mentioned it's based on the set of meta-packages, right? 13:04.000 --> 13:05.000 Yes. 13:05.000 --> 13:08.000 So, then what is the main difficulty? 13:08.000 --> 13:10.000 The main important development, 13:11.000 --> 13:14.000 other than selecting the versions, which can work together. 13:14.000 --> 13:18.000 The question was, it's a set of meta-packages, what's the development? 13:18.000 --> 13:24.000 We package what you need, and add these to the meta-packages. 13:24.000 --> 13:29.000 Meta-packages, it just mentioned, depends depends depends depends depends depends. 13:29.000 --> 13:33.000 And we package things that depends and add it to the meta-packages. 13:33.000 --> 13:37.000 So, you can install it on one wish. 13:38.000 --> 13:39.000 Yes. 13:39.000 --> 13:40.000 Yes. 13:40.000 --> 13:41.000 Yes. 13:41.000 --> 13:42.000 Yes. 13:42.000 --> 13:44.000 It's all in DPL, right? 13:44.000 --> 13:45.000 It's nothing else. 13:45.000 --> 13:47.000 It's inside DPL. 13:47.000 --> 13:49.000 So, then what's the difficulty? 13:49.000 --> 13:51.000 That was my question. 13:51.000 --> 13:55.000 Well, packaging all the dependencies is, 13:55.000 --> 13:56.000 quite some about it. 13:56.000 --> 13:57.000 And fix the box. 13:57.000 --> 14:01.000 And Python 3.13 is out. 14:01.000 --> 14:02.000 And you have this part. 14:02.000 --> 14:04.000 And Python 3.14 is out. 14:04.000 --> 14:06.000 And we have all software, right? 14:06.000 --> 14:09.000 And we have scientists software, you notice, 14:09.000 --> 14:13.000 which is written in some ancient Python version, 14:13.000 --> 14:14.000 and then we keep it all. 14:14.000 --> 14:16.000 GCC version, and then we. 14:16.000 --> 14:19.000 So, you may take seconds for DPL, that was my idea. 14:19.000 --> 14:20.000 Yes. 14:20.000 --> 14:25.000 We are debyan maintainers for people working in the field of biology. 14:25.000 --> 14:27.000 All right. 14:27.000 --> 14:29.000 So, we have another question. 14:29.000 --> 14:31.000 So, thank you for the talk. 14:31.000 --> 14:34.000 And you mentioned that there are a few arpeggages also. 14:34.000 --> 14:35.000 Yes. 14:35.000 --> 14:36.000 Including. 14:36.000 --> 14:39.000 I don't know if you are aware of that. 14:39.000 --> 14:42.000 Actually, you initiative by. 14:42.000 --> 14:43.000 Yeah. 14:43.000 --> 14:44.000 Thank you. 14:44.000 --> 14:45.000 Thank you. 14:45.000 --> 14:47.000 There's a home crime on Python 3.14. 14:47.000 --> 14:52.000 Is there any chance that this could be quoted to DPL? 14:52.000 --> 14:54.000 Well, the thing is, we have. 14:54.000 --> 14:58.000 The question was, there are quite some arpeggages in DPL. 14:58.000 --> 15:03.000 And we might need more arpeggages for instant biocontractor. 15:03.000 --> 15:04.000 Conductor. 15:04.000 --> 15:05.000 Yes. 15:05.000 --> 15:08.000 We have biocontractor packages inside DPL. 15:08.000 --> 15:11.000 DPL is doing this automatically. 15:11.000 --> 15:13.000 But in DPL, we have to. 15:13.000 --> 15:15.000 We have to pass. 15:15.000 --> 15:22.000 There's some process to verify the license and to do all this stuff. 15:22.000 --> 15:24.000 And we can't do. 15:24.000 --> 15:26.000 Automatically generated everything. 15:26.000 --> 15:28.000 This is done automatically by jerks. 15:28.000 --> 15:31.000 So if it's helpful for you, use it. 15:31.000 --> 15:37.000 We try to have those biocontractor packages, which are dependency of other packages. 15:37.000 --> 15:39.000 So if you have some. 15:39.000 --> 15:41.000 I don't know by heart, but some. 15:41.000 --> 15:42.000 Generate. 15:42.000 --> 15:45.000 Packages needs some biocontractor packages. 15:45.000 --> 15:49.000 And we package this once to resolve the dependencies. 15:49.000 --> 15:52.000 And then you have this all in the meter package. 15:52.000 --> 15:55.000 Otherwise, arpeggages are quite simple to instant. 15:55.000 --> 16:04.000 Or we are thinking about how much effort this will compare to other things that are not as simple. 16:04.000 --> 16:06.000 Right? 16:06.000 --> 16:11.000 But if you have a wish, we try to arpeggives are really easy. 16:11.000 --> 16:16.000 I once did to anyone arpeggages on one day. 16:16.000 --> 16:19.000 So this is automatically small. 16:19.000 --> 16:22.000 Easy. 16:22.000 --> 16:27.000 Have you noticed any particular features of the hackathon that. 16:27.000 --> 16:31.000 Lead to people becoming more regular developers. 16:31.000 --> 16:33.000 Or developers for longer. 16:33.000 --> 16:36.000 Yeah, the question was if there are some. 16:36.000 --> 16:39.000 Some developers who stayed longer. 16:39.000 --> 16:40.000 Right? 16:40.000 --> 16:42.000 This is particular features in the hackathon. 16:42.000 --> 16:45.000 A big developers more likely. 16:45.000 --> 16:47.000 I see our particular features in hackathon. 16:47.000 --> 16:52.000 It was just because every people were afraid of COVID. 16:52.000 --> 16:55.000 And wanted to help. 16:55.000 --> 17:00.000 So actually, I could say we need a couple of more. 17:00.000 --> 17:02.000 Of these pandemics. 17:02.000 --> 17:05.000 And then maybe I might not say so. 17:05.000 --> 17:06.000 Right? 17:06.000 --> 17:10.000 But it was everybody wanted to help. 17:10.000 --> 17:14.000 As in free software, usually people want to help. 17:14.000 --> 17:16.000 Want to contribute. 17:16.000 --> 17:21.000 And if you are highly motivated, then you do it. 17:21.000 --> 17:25.000 So I haven't been to the sports once or twice. 17:25.000 --> 17:26.000 Yeah. 17:26.000 --> 17:27.000 Not recently. 17:27.000 --> 17:32.000 I can say that one of the most engaging things is that you suddenly realize there are other people 17:32.000 --> 17:34.000 care about stuff that you care about. 17:34.000 --> 17:37.000 And a lot of it is like coming to close them. 17:37.000 --> 17:39.000 But it's a smaller thing. 17:39.000 --> 17:41.000 Yeah, it's really smaller. 17:41.000 --> 17:47.000 But then the trick is that we kind of have to get one or two people who are ready for it. 17:47.000 --> 17:50.000 And then it's intensive. 17:50.000 --> 17:54.000 And we all know these things that when you're suddenly in queue, 17:54.000 --> 17:56.000 you kind of want to learn more. 17:56.000 --> 17:57.000 Yeah. 17:57.000 --> 18:03.000 Sometimes in the hackathon, I sit down next to someone who wants to learn packaging for this specific package. 18:03.000 --> 18:10.000 I want to have this in David and then we sit together and do it because we have time for this. 18:10.000 --> 18:16.000 So now we are nearly...