WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:07.000 Just for fun? 00:07.000 --> 00:08.000 Yeah. 00:08.000 --> 00:09.000 Fun is good. 00:09.000 --> 00:10.000 Fun is a lot fun. 00:10.000 --> 00:11.000 Damn. 00:11.000 --> 00:15.000 I advertise that this room, this bedroom, this includes it. 00:15.000 --> 00:16.000 Don't scare them away. 00:16.000 --> 00:17.000 Yeah. 00:17.000 --> 00:18.000 Okay. 00:18.000 --> 00:19.000 I need to start. 00:19.000 --> 00:20.000 Yeah. 00:20.000 --> 00:21.000 Hello, everyone. 00:21.000 --> 00:26.000 Thank you for joining my really lightening talk. 00:26.000 --> 00:28.000 15 minutes I have left. 00:29.000 --> 00:34.000 I'll be talking a very unstructured press. 00:34.000 --> 00:41.000 I have a very unstructured presentation about what things I learned during the translation 00:41.000 --> 00:44.000 of Thunderbird. 00:44.000 --> 00:49.000 So if you don't see any logic, try to think beyond that. 00:49.000 --> 00:53.000 There is something that you can learn from those slides. 00:53.000 --> 00:54.000 Okay. 00:54.000 --> 00:55.000 I'll start. 00:55.000 --> 00:56.000 Excuse me. 00:56.000 --> 00:59.000 I don't use translated software. 00:59.000 --> 01:04.000 The reason why is because, you know, I come from Bulgaria, right? 01:04.000 --> 01:12.000 In the past we the only way to get software was, you know, to steal it. 01:12.000 --> 01:13.000 Okay. 01:13.000 --> 01:19.000 Update it illegally from various sources that still work today. 01:19.000 --> 01:24.000 And the only option was whether it will be in English or it will be in Russian. 01:24.000 --> 01:31.000 So English, I like Russian, not so much. 01:31.000 --> 01:35.000 So, but why I do all of this stuff. 01:35.000 --> 01:43.000 I'm really motivated by the right of everyone to use the software in their own language. 01:43.000 --> 01:49.000 We spoke yesterday at the box that, you know, their people like your mother or father. 01:49.000 --> 01:53.000 They don't speak in English, but they still want to check. 01:53.000 --> 01:56.000 An email from you, for example, or something else. 01:56.000 --> 01:59.000 So, that was my motivation. 01:59.000 --> 02:05.000 Ensuring that there are people who would like still to use the software in their own language. 02:05.000 --> 02:10.000 And as I said, you know, I contribute to Mozilla and Thunderbird. 02:10.000 --> 02:15.000 Currently, the Firefox desktop people or computers. 02:15.000 --> 02:17.000 Let's say that they're used in Bulgaria. 02:17.000 --> 02:21.000 They're like more than 130,000 devices. 02:22.000 --> 02:26.000 Firefox around the world, 52,000, 53, close. 02:26.000 --> 02:33.000 Thunderbird, like us of January 25, more than 20,000. 02:33.000 --> 02:41.000 So, this is people who even if the translation is really bad, they still use it. 02:41.000 --> 02:42.000 Right? 02:42.000 --> 02:50.000 So, I've worked for those 130,000 people to make them happy and make them to give them the chance to be. 02:50.000 --> 02:56.000 To be to browse the web or use their software or check their email. 02:56.000 --> 03:06.000 And yeah, I try to localize Mozilla and Thunderbird from time to time in the last 15 years. 03:06.000 --> 03:11.000 So, I got like the slides in a problem and solution mode. 03:11.000 --> 03:18.000 So, the problem is that Thunderbird was translated and still translated. 03:19.000 --> 03:23.000 By more than 30 people, they come and go. 03:23.000 --> 03:26.000 They translate one string or two strings and they go away. 03:26.000 --> 03:34.000 There's someone coming and translating vast amount of strings and that didn't just go away. 03:34.000 --> 03:40.000 And when you look at the software in English, it looks good. 03:40.000 --> 03:44.000 When you turn the Bulgarian version, it's really bad. 03:44.000 --> 03:47.000 I mean, it is translated, right? 03:47.000 --> 03:49.000 But it's not usable. 03:49.000 --> 03:53.000 You really want to go back to the English version. 03:53.000 --> 03:59.000 So, my mission to ensure people can use it is failed. 03:59.000 --> 04:10.000 So, what we did and what we'll be keep doing is organizing a QA session, like software testing, saying, you know, 04:10.000 --> 04:13.000 there is the software as bad as it is. 04:13.000 --> 04:15.000 Try to go and use it. 04:15.000 --> 04:21.000 And this is a way on how you can resolve bugs or not resolve bugs but report bugs. 04:21.000 --> 04:25.000 If you have the knowledge to change it, there is a way to change it. 04:25.000 --> 04:29.000 But, you know, majority of the people they just like to report bugs, right? 04:29.000 --> 04:30.000 Not to feast them. 04:30.000 --> 04:37.000 So, we asked already communities that are working close to us. 04:37.000 --> 04:43.000 Media is that, you know, are interested in such discussions and they helped us to do that. 04:43.000 --> 04:47.000 We got tons of useful feedback that we implemented. 04:47.000 --> 04:59.000 So, this is, you know, the solution of our problem for the software being translated by many people with random knowledge. 04:59.000 --> 05:06.000 The next thing we realize is that someone has their own version of what email is. 05:06.000 --> 05:08.000 How do you translate? 05:08.000 --> 05:09.000 Thank you very much. 05:09.000 --> 05:12.000 How do you translate email in your language? 05:12.000 --> 05:15.000 In Bulgaria and you can translate it in a few more few ideas. 05:15.000 --> 05:19.000 You have like many languages, many ideas, right? 05:19.000 --> 05:23.000 I don't know speak in Bulgaria now, but yeah, you know. 05:23.000 --> 05:25.000 So, it's really nice. 05:25.000 --> 05:31.000 But, if you see like different terms left and right, you have no idea how they differ. 05:31.000 --> 05:37.000 Whether this is for email or this is for email, what does that mean? 05:37.000 --> 05:48.000 And there is actually one interesting vocabulary or dictionary created a long time ago by brilliant mind. 05:48.000 --> 05:59.000 And the idea was to force politely everyone to start using very unique and adaptable, you know, dictionary. 05:59.000 --> 06:05.000 So, if you think about email, you go there and check how do you translate email. 06:05.000 --> 06:11.000 Next thing is string by string translation causes, you know, but user experience. 06:11.000 --> 06:16.000 It goes back to the one that I mentioned before. 06:16.000 --> 06:21.000 You go log into the software and start translating string by string. 06:21.000 --> 06:26.000 You have no idea about the context or you don't care about the context, of course. 06:26.000 --> 06:30.000 You just, you know, translate some strings and didn't go away. 06:30.000 --> 06:41.000 So, then you open the browser or, you know, you open tenderboard and you see massacre, something that is not usable. 06:41.000 --> 06:49.000 The next thing I want to talk about is, yes, my awesome language is one of the few in the world with genders. 06:49.000 --> 06:54.000 So, it's not easy to translate like that. 06:54.000 --> 07:01.000 So, new email and calendar sounds really good in English, but in my language it's not so easy. 07:01.000 --> 07:06.000 Because, you know, based on the gender of this world, this has to change. 07:06.000 --> 07:12.000 And this is something that we cannot change. 07:12.000 --> 07:19.000 So, you need to give your best effort to invent even new words if you have to in order to make this work. 07:19.000 --> 07:25.000 This is, you know, one of the things that is, we still try to find a way to have to fix it. 07:25.000 --> 07:31.000 Without inventing words, that are, you know, not so common to everyone. 07:31.000 --> 07:42.000 But, you know, we are trying to do that, we translate, you know, screen-based screen, then look at the result in our daily version or nightly. 07:42.000 --> 07:49.000 And try to modify and see whether we can keep this somehow sane. 07:49.000 --> 07:54.000 The next one is, I don't have time for translation, that's the usual thing. 07:54.000 --> 08:03.000 You know, I usually spend, from time to time spent, like a couple of hours or a couple of minutes to do that. 08:03.000 --> 08:08.000 But then, at some point, I realized, I want to make this a habit. 08:08.000 --> 08:16.000 So, if you see from August till end of October, I translated something almost every day. 08:16.000 --> 08:21.000 Then with a few exceptions, I keep doing that till today. 08:21.000 --> 08:32.000 So, one thing I saw this for myself was to go there and try to translate string-based string or two or three or four independently. 08:32.000 --> 08:38.000 But, you know, to make myself to go and turn it into a habit, then it's really easy. 08:38.000 --> 08:46.000 The first few days was really hard because, you know, I needed to find to mark myself a spot in that my calendar saying, 08:46.000 --> 08:52.000 Hey, you have to, you know, authentically, you need to go to the website and start translating. 08:52.000 --> 08:53.000 But it works. 08:54.000 --> 09:05.000 And now, to say here, the time you spend translating something is the time you will never get back, because, you know, this is how life grows. 09:05.000 --> 09:19.000 So, try to stay sane, try to work, because, you know, it's a, you don't own, let's say the, if it's an open source of the, you don't own it, right? 09:19.000 --> 09:28.000 At some point, the software might disappear or, you know, goes into another direction and your, you know, work effort might disappear. 09:28.000 --> 09:35.000 So, try to understand where the value is and to optimize your time. 09:35.000 --> 09:40.000 A few slides on the Thunderbolt mobile. 09:40.000 --> 09:45.000 Do you know Thunderbolt mobile? It's a brilliant version. 09:45.000 --> 09:50.000 I have three versions on my phone. Yeah. 09:50.000 --> 10:08.000 So, the first challenge we had was that when the move from K9 to Thunderbolt happened, there was a, like, a glitch in our community saying, you know, I don't like this move, you know, Thunderbolt will do something bad with K9. 10:08.000 --> 10:12.000 So, I don't care anymore. Thank you very much. 10:12.000 --> 10:21.000 So, then, you know, we started looking at the translation and the translation was really bad and it's still really bad. 10:21.000 --> 10:24.000 They're like spelling errors. 10:24.000 --> 10:31.000 Like really spelling errors that, you know, I, I still plan to fix, but I'm not doing it right now. 10:31.000 --> 10:34.000 So, you can have time and knowledge. 10:34.000 --> 10:37.000 It's in web late, by the way, this one. 10:37.000 --> 10:41.000 You can go and try to fix it. 10:41.000 --> 10:46.000 Then, you know, the labels, you know, when you're working with English, it's easy. 10:46.000 --> 10:51.000 It's, you know, edited just for characters and in my language is 11. 10:51.000 --> 10:59.000 So, when you go and open the dialogue, half of it is missing, like it's like, till here. 10:59.000 --> 11:05.000 Done. It's really useful, really beautiful because, you know, you go, log into web late. 11:06.000 --> 11:11.000 You see, edit, you just take this word and then you move on. 11:11.000 --> 11:18.000 And then, you know, someone opens the interface and it's like, so we needed to go and review screen by screen, 11:18.000 --> 11:26.000 menu by menu and find a way on how we can translate it different or shorten it somehow without using something that, you know, 11:26.000 --> 11:29.000 it's cutting out the strings. 11:29.000 --> 11:31.000 And again, translate it different. 11:31.000 --> 11:39.000 There is no terminology, much even with Thunderbird because, you know, the functionality is kind of similar, 11:39.000 --> 11:44.000 but it's translated something like with a different language. 11:44.000 --> 11:47.000 And again, I mentioned about that. 11:47.000 --> 11:58.000 It's really hard to, to start thinking about mobile if you just go there and, you know, click edit and do your work and then you move. 11:58.000 --> 12:09.000 So, you know, translating, you know, mobile software is really about translating and then testing it from user perspective. 12:09.000 --> 12:14.000 If you want to remember one thing from today, this is it. 12:14.000 --> 12:19.000 Free software only becomes truly free when people can use it in their own language. 12:19.000 --> 12:27.000 I actually ask the AI to read through all of my slides and generate me one quote, but I fully agree with it. 12:27.000 --> 12:33.000 Whether this is true or not, I don't know, but don't trust me. 12:33.000 --> 12:37.000 And whatever I said, you can go and verify it online for yourself. 12:37.000 --> 12:48.000 And this is my network if you want to join these people, Gary, no, no people that's people, Gary, and please find me in one of those. 12:49.000 --> 12:59.000 And if you happen to do the bad thing, my beer, the favorite beer is a treat, so I'll let it find me after the call and give me my beer. 12:59.000 --> 13:04.000 Yeah, so feel free to connect with me. Thank you very much. Have a nice day. 13:05.000 --> 13:12.000 Oh, question, what? 13:12.000 --> 13:13.000 Can I? 13:13.000 --> 13:16.000 I thought we don't have time for two minutes. 13:16.000 --> 13:18.000 Okay, to be honest. 13:18.000 --> 13:21.000 I'll give you a chance, because you asked the last time. 13:22.000 --> 13:30.000 You had some statistics about the amount of users using Firefox and the Thunderdutt in Bulgarian. 13:30.000 --> 13:31.000 Yes. 13:31.000 --> 13:34.000 How do you put that to get that kind of information? 13:34.000 --> 13:37.000 Because in the integrated system, we never know. 13:37.000 --> 13:40.000 If you use us, I use in EVH all of whatever knowledge. 13:40.000 --> 13:45.000 And maybe we can extrapolate from the design for two weeks. 13:45.000 --> 13:51.000 You can turn your head back, and there are two guys here from Thunderdutt project. 13:51.000 --> 13:55.000 And you can ask this exactly question, or even more, sorry. 13:55.000 --> 13:57.000 You can ask me this exact question. 13:57.000 --> 14:09.000 Yes, the question was, I'm sorry, how the other projects can understand whether a specific software was used in a specific localization. 14:10.000 --> 14:16.000 Yeah, there is a telemetry thing that is going on anonymous. 14:16.000 --> 14:23.000 So, it's not the users, it's the number of devices, because someone can have multiple devices. 14:23.000 --> 14:26.000 But it's an impressive number, one hundred and thirty thousand. 14:26.000 --> 14:27.000 I didn't know that. 14:27.000 --> 14:30.000 I know about my friends and my family, that's it. 14:30.000 --> 14:32.000 But yeah, thank you. 14:32.000 --> 14:33.000 You? 14:33.000 --> 14:35.000 Oh, sorry, no. 14:35.000 --> 14:36.000 Yeah. 15:05.000 --> 15:20.000 And then, if you go to the board, something more, easy to read, or do the higher folks, people go with a distance and way, but both things. 15:20.000 --> 15:22.000 So, that's going to be a part of my door and then that's it. 15:22.000 --> 15:25.000 Really quickly, because times up, you can do both. 15:25.000 --> 15:27.000 If you see something, you can report it. 15:27.000 --> 15:30.000 And if you don't know how to fix it, you can report it with a bookzilla. 15:30.000 --> 15:35.500 If you know how to fix it, you just have to create an account and start fixing it. 15:35.500 --> 15:42.500 And if you have an account, without permissions, you're just giving suggestions. 15:42.500 --> 15:46.000 You say, I think that the right translation is this one. 15:46.000 --> 15:49.000 And you can do that, and then someone will be approved. 15:49.000 --> 15:54.000 And if your suggestions are really good, you will get promoted into life with translator automatically. 15:54.000 --> 15:58.000 Okay, thank you. Thank you very much, guys. Have fun.