WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:13.600 Hello everyone, so our next speaker is yours, put me, and he's going to put them. 00:13.600 --> 00:15.600 Can you hear me? 00:15.600 --> 00:17.600 Then I will just get started. 00:17.600 --> 00:27.200 All right, there we go, all right, so, well, you saw the title of my talk, so I'm just 00:27.200 --> 00:33.280 going to dive into that, there's a button to press, is that the alarm, oh, it's a timer, that's 00:33.280 --> 00:37.120 awesome, all right, so you know what I want to discuss, what I want to talk about, but 00:37.120 --> 00:43.760 you want to, sorry, yes, no, no slides, all that's, that's all it's blue, right, so 00:43.760 --> 00:48.400 that's what it's supposed to be, really, look, I'm going to hit the button and then something 00:48.400 --> 00:57.120 appears, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, magic, magic, all right, so I want to talk about 00:57.520 --> 01:03.520 collaboration tools, and I think there are broadly, four of them, so there's obviously chatting and 01:03.520 --> 01:10.720 there are calls, video calls, there's file handling and the fourth is office document editing, 01:10.720 --> 01:16.480 so those are the collaboration tools that, you know, if you're a office worker, I mean how many 01:16.480 --> 01:21.280 of you spend most of your time behind the chair, behind the computer, in an office or working from home, 01:22.000 --> 01:28.720 everybody, right, yeah, that's modern reality, so yeah, that's what you do basically, and so 01:29.680 --> 01:33.680 you know, these things have been developing, obviously over the last years, again we're at 01:33.680 --> 01:39.440 first them, so a lot of people are pretty much involved in this timeline developing stuff, etc. 01:40.160 --> 01:46.800 So you know, there was a time that this was cool and new, that's a while ago, and that's how we 01:46.880 --> 01:54.240 will chat, and then people were of course using one of one chat with this, I'm not going to say the 01:54.240 --> 02:01.280 name, come on, what is it? I secure, exactly, yeah, yeah, and you also had Skype coming at some point, 02:01.280 --> 02:07.920 that's of course for the video calls, well, first without, and then, well, files were on an 02:07.920 --> 02:12.720 NFS chair, and you know, you would share with your colleagues making a directory available in this 02:12.720 --> 02:16.640 kind of stuff, I mean sharing as a big word, but if you're on the internal company network, 02:16.800 --> 02:22.240 this works, of course, great, and then, well, we were using Microsoft Office, I mean calling it 02:22.240 --> 02:26.640 collaborative is a big word, but you have shared drive, you can work on the document, hopefully 02:26.640 --> 02:33.200 don't get conflict, it kind of works, or you email it, hey, that's that, and then the 2000s came, 02:33.200 --> 02:37.600 and you know, what's up came and made like one of one chatting much more interesting, and so 02:37.600 --> 02:43.520 I should give you one, the way of the data, and of course for like group chatting, we got 02:43.520 --> 02:49.680 slack, that first was IRC compatible, and of course when it became better for them to not be, 02:49.680 --> 02:55.680 they were no longer IRC compatible, because that's the way of big tech, and, well, soon, 02:55.680 --> 02:59.600 I'm just picking out a few brands here, but obviously tons of other companies make stuff, 03:00.960 --> 03:06.160 for the video calls, that was really big during COVID, of course, for the files, 03:06.160 --> 03:11.200 well, Dropbox, they really changed, you know, how you collaborate on files, how you think 03:11.280 --> 03:16.320 them, share them, you know, instead of like a company determined hierarchy on Windows, 03:16.320 --> 03:20.640 network drive or something, you suddenly could just share directly with people, so that also got 03:20.640 --> 03:25.920 into the business world, and, you know, to the despair of many assessment administrators, probably, 03:27.120 --> 03:30.880 and of course, then Google, I mean, others that have before them, they just bought it, 03:30.880 --> 03:34.480 let's not think these big tech companies are actually innovative, they just buy it, 03:35.360 --> 03:41.040 started to bring Google Docs, which meant Microsoft had to come with an answer as well, of course. 03:42.400 --> 03:51.200 So, open source needed answers to these things, because otherwise, all your data is into the cloud, 03:51.200 --> 03:55.760 you have zero control, and that's not the world we want to live in, I think, that's something I don't 03:55.760 --> 04:02.160 need to convince anyone of in this room. So, we have tools like Matrix, Jet, and Metramouse, 04:02.160 --> 04:07.760 for the group chat, we have JetC, for the video calls, or to like big blue button, 04:09.360 --> 04:15.440 on cloud, my boss and friend, Frank Carley, check, started on cloud in 2010, to build 04:15.440 --> 04:20.640 the replacement for Dropbox, and, you know, gives people a way to share files, securely, safely, 04:21.520 --> 04:24.320 collaborate on my comics, also running around here, it falls down, 04:25.120 --> 04:30.480 um, yeah, brought the broth is into the browser, so you could also edit your documents. 04:31.120 --> 04:37.280 And I mean, that's all good stuff, and important. But then COVID happened, 04:38.560 --> 04:45.120 and suddenly lots of people and organizations had to work remote, and having all these separate tools 04:45.120 --> 04:50.000 gets messy, you know, you shut the file during a JetC call, but it's no longer available after 04:50.080 --> 04:54.800 the call, so Jet is no persistent, you might have emailed something, and it's on the Dropbox, 04:54.800 --> 04:59.120 and like all these different tools, they were integrating a little bit, but you got a bit of a, 04:59.840 --> 05:04.160 you know, there are gaps, there are lots of gaps in between. And of course, our 05:04.960 --> 05:11.520 America friends build a tool that did all of this really, really smooth, and really nicely integrated. 05:12.320 --> 05:16.480 And then they gave it away for free, to lots of places, and then people started using it, and then, 05:16.560 --> 05:20.480 of course, after the little while it was no longer free, or your documents were in it, I mean, 05:20.480 --> 05:28.160 it's the usual game that's played, and then you were stuck with these guys. So, you know, 05:28.160 --> 05:32.960 at next level out, of course, you might have wondered where that now goes, we have been working 05:32.960 --> 05:40.320 on many of these pieces over the years, and well, we wanted to make sure there was an open source 05:40.400 --> 05:46.880 answer to Microsoft Teams, and you know, I would argue that's like Fatalk, because it can do 05:46.880 --> 05:54.880 all these things as well. So, as I said, this strategy of integrating everything, bundling it, 05:55.760 --> 06:00.640 giving it away for very little money initially, right, because Teams are free, if you have to 06:00.640 --> 06:07.440 Microsoft 365 anyway, that's really the typical big tech playbook. Now you upload all your data, 06:08.080 --> 06:13.360 and then, well, you have to ultimate vendor lock-in, because you can't really export at least a 06:13.360 --> 06:17.600 metadata. The files you can get out, but all the metadata that the discussion you had about 06:17.600 --> 06:23.040 file, and who changed it when and where all the versions, this is all done, if you want to migrate 06:23.040 --> 06:29.120 away. So, you need it, and yeah, can my argument is, we really need an open source alternative 06:29.120 --> 06:34.880 to this, something that brings all these things together, and as easy to use, can argue how easy 06:34.960 --> 06:40.960 to use Teams is, but in a similar interface, but of course, I'd respect users privacy and 06:40.960 --> 06:47.840 guess government in particular digital sovereignty. Yeah, I can't follow. So, that's Nick Fatalk. 06:49.440 --> 06:54.640 I mean, unlike Microsoft Teams, of course, completely on-premise, people often ask us, 06:54.640 --> 07:00.000 like, how do you host? No, we don't, we just make software, we absolutely do not do any hosting. 07:00.080 --> 07:04.480 Other companies do, you can get a host at Nick Fatalk, but we don't give that to you, 07:04.480 --> 07:10.800 because we don't want your data too much stress. So, yeah, keep it in your own data center. 07:10.800 --> 07:14.720 And, well, I want to talk a bit about why talk is the right answer to Teams here. 07:15.520 --> 07:20.800 So, in the end, it's all about the future of work, right? And so, work, that's hybrid, that's on the 07:20.800 --> 07:27.120 go, that's working everywhere. And, you know, meetings are online. Do you have them out for a 07:27.120 --> 07:35.040 video call, or maybe even in weird, three-dimensional environments these days? Well, to each their own. 07:35.920 --> 07:41.680 And so, we try to build, next, I'll talk to address basically all these different things. 07:42.240 --> 07:47.760 So, the needs of a modern bigger organization. And, at home, you can run next loud, 07:47.840 --> 07:53.040 but most people use it for calendar contacts, sharing pictures. But in the business, of course, 07:53.040 --> 07:58.080 you need a way for employees to work together efficiently and, well, 07:59.840 --> 08:06.000 integrated also with other applications and tools as well. But, again, completely private cloud, 08:06.000 --> 08:11.120 on-premise in your own data center, behind your firewall of VPN even if you want. We have customers who, 08:11.120 --> 08:16.960 basically just lock it off from the internet, they run at completely air gap, and we still, 08:17.040 --> 08:21.520 they can have video calls, they can have chat, they can have document editing sessions together with 08:21.520 --> 08:26.640 other people, the whole suite is available without an internet connection. So, I think that's really 08:26.640 --> 08:32.960 important. Now, next I'll talk is basically designed for three main use cases. And the first 08:32.960 --> 08:39.440 that team chat, so this is the slack, the matter most, to help a team of people collaborate during the day, 08:40.400 --> 08:47.040 sending hundreds of chat messages into tons of chat rooms. We all do this, right? 08:47.680 --> 08:53.520 So, if you have a quick look at next loud talk, I have the feeling that this might be the wrong video. 08:53.520 --> 08:57.200 Oh, okay, yeah, that's the next loud chat room, and you can put in all kinds of content. 08:58.000 --> 09:03.040 That's integration I'm talking about, yeah. This is an office document. In the chat room, 09:03.040 --> 09:08.720 you share it in the chat room, you just edit it right away there. You don't need to download the 09:08.800 --> 09:13.120 file and edit it, and we upload it, you don't need to leave the browser tab, you just go and edit it. 09:13.760 --> 09:19.760 So, that's the kind of integration that we've built for a team working together, calendars, 09:20.320 --> 09:25.600 compound planning boards, you put it all in the chat, you can work there in one place, 09:26.800 --> 09:32.320 at the same office documents and other things, and well, you can see my terrible attempt at 09:32.400 --> 09:40.800 throwing a sketch. All right, so we even integrated a assistant with AI, of course, 09:40.800 --> 09:50.000 this runs on premises again, but, you know, AI is very hot, and, well, with Copilot coming, 09:50.000 --> 09:56.480 you need an alternative for this as well. So, we built our next loud assistant with basically offers 09:57.200 --> 10:01.680 similar features. You can, for example, have it summarized the chat room for you, 10:01.760 --> 10:05.360 so if you come back from a location and you have a chat room that gives you a headache, 10:05.360 --> 10:10.800 with 300 unread messages, there's a button that's summarized, and then AI makes a summary, 10:11.520 --> 10:16.480 and, you know, luckily with summaries, AI is down high, hallucinate that much. So, this is pretty 10:16.480 --> 10:20.400 helpful, but there's a ton more right with creation of text and all this stuff. 10:23.440 --> 10:29.680 Yeah, I already mentioned, I think the summaries, the other stuff, so, well, there's a summary feature 10:29.760 --> 10:36.400 exactly, this quite nice can save you a lot of time and headaches. All right, so, the second 10:36.400 --> 10:41.680 major thing that next I'll talk to us is video meetings. So, this is, I think, again, the obvious 10:41.680 --> 10:48.480 stuff right, you want to have a meeting with then 5, 3, 20 people at the office, you can record a call, 10:48.480 --> 10:54.480 you can do a screen share. Yeah, we also put in a couple of features to help you maintain your 10:54.480 --> 11:00.160 sanity. There's a warning at one hour call that you shouldn't have calls that are longer than 11:00.160 --> 11:05.680 an hour probably. Feature I really like is that it tracks the speaking time of each other participants. 11:05.680 --> 11:12.240 I tend to talk too much, this, well, you might have noticed. And having, you know, a timer or a 11:12.240 --> 11:16.480 counter that says, like, Luke of this 30 minute meeting, you've been talking for 20, maybe, 11:16.480 --> 11:21.360 that other people speak for a bit is for me quite helpful. And other people that are 11:21.360 --> 11:26.320 very rounded might help you speak up a little bit more. We have a nice white board for the 11:26.320 --> 11:32.720 virtual laser pointer and all the stuff built in. So, it's a complete team meeting platform, as 11:32.720 --> 11:38.720 well. And then the third main use case, and again, this is Zoom, for example, is used a lot for webinars 11:38.720 --> 11:43.920 and really big meetings. So, our education training, these kind of things, and this is, of course, 11:43.920 --> 11:51.920 a feature we have as well. So, you can invite people to play in. Not yet. Maybe it's 11:51.920 --> 11:57.040 such playing now. Yeah, you can invite people to film number or by email. And, you know, you can also 11:57.040 --> 12:03.440 import a spreadsheet with like 500 participants for a meeting or a webinar. You can then, you know, 12:03.440 --> 12:08.560 manage permissions and make people moderator, you know, give them a ride to share screen, 12:09.520 --> 12:17.600 all these kind of things. Yeah, you can ask input with polls. Nice thing is that you can 12:17.600 --> 12:23.280 these days save polls as a draft and then export them to a file and load them in for a new webinar, 12:23.280 --> 12:29.840 et cetera. So, again, if you do a lot of webinars and such, you will have, yeah, a good time with 12:29.840 --> 12:35.760 this basically. Breakout rooms, it's not a one of these things. So, if you have like, you know, 12:35.760 --> 12:40.480 a training and you have a group of 20 people, you want to split them up in three or four groups. 12:40.480 --> 12:44.880 You can then either moderate or assign people to each of the groups or you can let the system 12:44.880 --> 12:49.600 split them up randomly and then after the meeting, they come back into the main room, this kind of 12:49.600 --> 12:56.720 stuff is all there as well. So, yeah, it's really a great platform for education, collaboration, 12:56.720 --> 13:01.600 et cetera, but with all the other features integrated as well. We have mobile clients, 13:01.600 --> 13:07.360 Android, iOS, they generally support all the functionality of talk. I actually did discover recently 13:07.360 --> 13:14.480 that on my iPhone, I can do a screen share from mobile phone during a call. It's a bit surprised 13:14.480 --> 13:19.440 by that, but that's cool. There's a desktop client, I think, I've shown it already in a few videos, 13:19.440 --> 13:26.800 which is really nice. And, well, I'm going to go back to the AI for a minute. I think, 13:27.760 --> 13:32.160 yeah, I've mentioned it already, right? We have a bunch of AI features with generating images, 13:32.160 --> 13:38.080 all the fairly basic stuff. So, for example, if you have call, you can record it after the call, 13:38.080 --> 13:42.240 you've got a transcript of the recording, and you've got a summary of the meeting as well, 13:42.240 --> 13:46.640 with the connection to the room. So, these kind of AI features we build in. And so, none of 13:46.640 --> 13:51.440 this sends data to the cloud if you don't want to. So, as an admin, you can say, hey, I have an 13:51.440 --> 13:57.680 own-prem LLAM that I want to use. I have an own-prem whisper that I want to use. So, in our 13:57.680 --> 14:03.200 app store, you can choose between different apps. You can then, as an admin, for each of the functions, 14:03.200 --> 14:09.040 say, okay, I want to use this LLAM, I want to use that LLAM. Yeah, this one does the summaries, 14:09.040 --> 14:14.880 in the middle client, these kind of things are all built in. And we use the rating system to show 14:14.880 --> 14:22.480 you how safe it is or how privacy you're respecting it is. So, every one of the AI integrations we 14:22.480 --> 14:29.440 have has a rating on a scale of red to green. We check whether the code is open source of the, 14:29.440 --> 14:35.520 yeah, of the to run the LLAM or to train the LLAM, whether the model itself is open source, 14:35.520 --> 14:41.120 as in the values are available, which means you can download it, run it on your own server, 14:41.120 --> 14:46.000 or in the data center that you trust. And, last but not least, we'd like the training data 14:46.000 --> 14:51.280 to be open as well. So, somebody can go in and retrain the model, maybe make it more efficient, 14:51.280 --> 14:57.120 or remove bias, etc. And, if the model has all these three properties, it'll be green. 14:57.840 --> 15:03.360 If it has two of them, it'll be yellow, and I'm pretty sure you can figure out the rest from there. 15:04.080 --> 15:09.520 So, that's how we deal with the AI side of things. Another feature I quickly want to talk about 15:09.680 --> 15:15.280 is Federation. So, if, you know, you and all your friends are running their own next while talking 15:15.280 --> 15:19.760 instance, you want to talk together. You can simply invite people from another instance. 15:21.360 --> 15:25.440 It doesn't matter that they're on a different server, they're just not a user. And, for 15:25.440 --> 15:29.200 users, they're completely seamless. You can have a video call with people from five different 15:29.200 --> 15:34.880 servers. You can chat in a room with people from different servers. So, it feels like a single, 15:34.960 --> 15:40.400 you know, platform where people can work together. And, I have to stop. Well, I was at the summary, 15:41.520 --> 15:44.080 we have a replacement for Microsoft Teams. Go use it. 15:55.040 --> 15:56.640 All right. Any questions? 15:56.800 --> 16:11.040 Yes. That's questions, time? Yeah. All right. All right. One of the big questions I have is 16:11.920 --> 16:16.480 Microsoft Teams is one of those corporations that, you know, a lot of businesses use it because 16:16.480 --> 16:22.000 it's convenient. And there's also a lot of licenses that they give to, for example, educational 16:22.080 --> 16:28.720 organizations that make it right now to run. How would you convince a company that doesn't 16:28.720 --> 16:35.200 really care all that much about data privacy and open source of where to actually go and transition 16:35.200 --> 16:41.600 to that new system? I don't, honestly. If you don't care about privacy or digital sovereignty, 16:41.600 --> 16:46.480 it's very hard to explain to you what the benefit of it is. Luckily, there are people, companies, 16:47.200 --> 16:51.200 but also governments, right? Like, if there, I mean, there's a city in an Netherlands, they are 16:51.200 --> 16:56.960 experimenting with next cloud. I think that's great. But it's not the job of a random city in 16:56.960 --> 17:03.600 an Netherlands to make sure that when a certain, uh, often associated with the color orange, 17:03.600 --> 17:09.760 president decides to shut down Europe's IT infrastructure, uh, it's not the job of a random city in 17:09.760 --> 17:14.080 an Netherlands to protect an Netherlands from that. That's something the federal government needs to do. 17:14.640 --> 17:20.560 Of course, but I think that you, um, have a program like next cloud. That's, it has many things 17:20.560 --> 17:26.240 that are better than Microsoft Teams, of course. But if the costs are so much higher to run it 17:26.240 --> 17:30.640 yourself or get someone to host it, then maybe need to look there at the total cost of ownership, 17:30.640 --> 17:36.160 right? Yeah. Because companies are paying extraordinary amounts to Microsoft, it's just that the 17:36.160 --> 17:41.760 additional cost of adding teams is zero because Microsoft bundles it and just raises the price on 17:41.840 --> 17:48.080 everything else. Yes. So the total cost of ownership of running your own infrastructure with 17:48.080 --> 17:54.720 Necla talk is depending on the company size, competitive, or even much cheaper, especially at 17:54.720 --> 18:01.120 scale. And if you're a big company, you pay a lot more money per employee to Microsoft than a small 18:01.120 --> 18:05.600 company as one of the tricks that big tech users to keep small competitors out of the market. 18:06.080 --> 18:11.920 It's, you know, at scale, it's very expensive and we are way cheaper, not intentionally. I mean, 18:11.920 --> 18:15.760 the open source shouldn't be cheaper. That's not the reason to use it. You should use it. 18:15.760 --> 18:20.560 If you care about digital sovereignty, you want to maintain running when somebody gets angry 18:20.560 --> 18:26.320 at your country for doing something they don't like. That's why we should do it, not for the money. 18:26.320 --> 18:28.160 I think. All right. Thank you. 18:28.560 --> 18:36.960 I don't think we have time for more questions. Do we have Alexey here already? 18:38.960 --> 18:42.160 Sorry, you cannot take more questions. Maybe behind the room. 18:42.160 --> 18:46.960 You can talk to us. Thank you. Thank you.